Animal Music?

In class the other day, Betsy asked if music made by animals is still considered music. It is organized sound. It is made to be pleasing to others of the species. In my opinion it is still considered music.

However, if music is something that is human made, this would not be possible.

If it is a social construction, it can be though; music made by animals is to get mates, a social behavior.

Perhaps certain creatures (humans included) have an innate sense of music??

My Opinion Keeps Changing

I went from 100% objective to 100% subjective. Now I am at 100% I have no idea.

WHAT IS MUSIC??? I really would like to know. I feel like I don't even know if it is based completely on sound.

In class we discussed deaf people and music. Sometimes they can feel the music. and sometimes it is in their heads, memories of the past when they could hear it Are these things still music? Or does it have to be sound waves actually picked up by an ear?

Also, one thing that I do think is necessary is for someone somewhere to find it to be aesthetically pleasing. There was debate about this in class. But, if no one found it appealing, no one would have ever said that it was music. Yes, we can not like something and say it is music, but for the most part we find music from the store the computer etc. In order for it to be deemed music there, it must have been appealing to at least one person.

Ok, so I read it...

I read the article. I still think that it is 100% subjective.

BUT

I like the definition: "As Organized Sound." That's what I feel that it really is. It is a way that sounds are organized to be pleasing to at least it's creator.

This brings up a question that I feel is very relevant....In Art and Philosophy, we say that art has to be human made. Music is a form of art. So by this logic, music has to be human made. But, what about birds? And other natural music? Are they not music because they are not made by humans?

Music?

"My boyfriend is bang, the boom, the beat
He's beatin' down the door to get to me
Yeah music is the shock, the shake, the shit
The needle in the groove, the grind, the grit
My boyfriend is music"
-Skye Sweetnam

I have not yet read the article on music, but I figured that I would give some preliminary thoughts.

I feel that music is 100% objective. Every culture has different music, and withing a culture there are different genres. I know o many people who would say that rap is not music. I know just as many who say that opera is merely noise. There does not appear to be any set of standards making something music or not.

I included the song quote because I like the way that she defines it. "the bang, the boom the beat" etc. Also part of her interpretation is that music is something that makes her feel good. To other people music is close to godly. There are also some that think that music should be only about God. There are some who say that modern music is not music.

Am I making my point? There are a million ways to define music, and there are so many forms of music that have nothing to do with the rest. I think that it is merely a collection o sounds that are pleasing to an individual, and that it is completely subjective.

Dictators

Dictatorship:
1. a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator.
2. absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control.
3. the office or position held by a dictator.

Dictator
1 a person exercising absolute power, esp. a ruler who has absolute, unrestricted control in a government without hereditary succession.
2. (in ancient Rome) a person invested with supreme authority during a crisis, the regular magistracy being subordinated to him until the crisis was met.
3. a person who authoritatively prescribes conduct, usage, etc.: a dictator of fashion.
4. a person who dictates, as to a secretary.



OK, now, my reason for all of this:
We decided to completely destroy Iraq's governmental system and replaced it with our own. While dictaorships are a bad thing, it could possibly work for some cultures. I jsut put in the definitions, to show that the first definitions of both words do not say anything negative.

Let's Play Pass the Opressees

Iraq was oppressed by Saddam Hussein. This was a well known fact. Many people say that since they did not ask for help, we should not have gone to "free" them. There are just as many people who say that they could not ask for help. The fight goes on and on and on.

One thing that I rarely hear about is how the Iraqi people have gone from one oppressor to another. look, I know that the United States does not want to consider itself an oppressor, but I think that in this case it is. I want so bad to believe that it is one of those things that they do not realize, that it is all based in good intentions. This does not make it any less bad.

But, I mean we are trying to force them to have our government. We are still over there with military force...etc...

But back to the good intentions: In Of Mice and Men, Lenny was filled with love. He smothers others with kindness. I wonder if this country is a more dangerous version of Lenny....

Drowning in Democracy

I wonder if everyone is aware that we are literally drowning the Iraqi people in democracy. You cannot force people to change their government, especially as quickly as we are trying to. There are some points I would like to make about the democracy we have here in the United States:
1. We desperately wanted it. it was not forced on us.
2. It took a lot for us to get it going, and running somewhat smoothly-- look at all of our amendments
3. It is still a flawed system. if we still haven't perfected it, how can we expect to impose it on someone else?